Group Scout Vicenza
The "Group Scout Vicenza" is an alternative to many Scout groups in our city. E 'Association secular, pluralistic and independent. The teaching method and the values are the same everywhere, dictated by the founder Baden Powell a century ago, in 1908. It teaches the universal brotherhood, the outdoor activities, camping, hiking, the life in tent, the education of neighbor and respect towards themselves.
Association member to FEDERSCOUT
The media are the life of adventure, the forest, game, the pioneering, singing, expression, uniforms and style scouts, the pioneer of life, respect for nature. The association is divided into several branches, than younger adults who are dedicated to interest groups for activities sailing, diving, for civil protection, the teaching of technology scouts, including the organization of meetings all ' Foreign international (Jamboree).
It 'a complete education (as wished by founder) given by family and the school to help train the good citizens of the future in respect of social rules.
For information:
www.grupposcoutvicenza.org
Nicolini Romano
am July 20 2008 @ 22:20
To me that is good is a secular association: If you truly such, must ask each member to follow his religion seriously.
If there is secularism, equality for all renounce their faith. It would be like she is in a meeting of many languages, it is decided to stage silent because the languages are different.
Loris
am July 21 2008 @ 07:02
Scouting since birth by Baden-Powell, does not imply a religious belief, it is scouting for everyone and every race and religion. Congratulations to the team Vicenza leading the pure ideal of scouting.
If we analyze the extreme difficulty anticedente the birth of scouting Italian Catholic layman born after copying it. Would participate in any Jamboree where you really see that it is scouting interreligione and secular.
Scouting Lay does not mean that one religion is or is atheist, but he lives on the principle of Baden-Powell and is the brother of every scout for every race or religion.
wb Loris sbarre@libero.it
Tarcisio
am July 21 2008 @ 09:40
Son agree, and I am part of a secular Scout Association, the main one son emerged from where the friends group scout vicenza and from which stan exiting several groups: GEI Friuli, Ass.Scout S. George, GEI Puglia, and I hope AGEA a GEI Veneto.
One of motovazioni is the result atheist - secular, that is not secularism = antithesis of fundamentalism, which is taking me the x CNGEI that seems to want to become the association of non-believers.
Unfortunately x needs not to die in our group must tighten their teeth and continue hoping that the Chamber fully resume the path of spiritual even though in diversity even without membership of a religion formed.
Ivan Danchielli chief scout Vicenza (Big Bear White)
am July 22 2008 @ 17:39
Dear Tarcisio, Loris, Romano, not thought to stimulate many positive comments, thank you all. Even today we are talking about secularism? But the question is simple: = secular pluralist, confessional = catechesis Catholic education as an end. It seems so simple. Unfortunately, the CNGEI you are away from the track. BP has never said anything against their religion rather, the scouts must have their own faith. Scouting the secular accepts all, all our home qui.Nella scouts have alternated AGESCI many groups and all we have maintained excellent relations. Unfortunately I had to form an independent group from Vicenza to CNGEI impossibility of dialogue with management in office, since they anchored the absurd directives "central" not allow any dialogue between members. The federation is a laboratory of ideas, in full freedom of expression and so far it works well. know who is with much regret that I CNGEI away from where I lived for 40 years. I hope the wind blows in favor of a rapprochement to our successful cooperation. The scout universal brotherhood for us is not utopia but everyday reality. Waiting for you. NOTE: Federated national groups still count about 4,000 subscribers for a total of 19 actually living in the scouting perfect harmony. Visit our website. Happy journey.
Aquila of Alburni
am July 24 2008 @ 15:52
Dear friends, I am following with great interest your dialogue and I think I have seen many considerations that led me for years to exit the scheme voluntary GEI that door issues never resolved and that like all the contradictions sooner or later are afloat and do damage.
With other friends is that GEI Ascii Piedmont we have continued to serve outside of Scouting, (bringing back style and mentalities scouts) in other voluntary organizations, where we provide our experience both as a Civil Defense organization and as logistics. In 1976, we have done, but you did you-Lombardo Veneto, major initiatives earthquake in Friuli, being a relief operation targata GEI very innovative in its day, and even this is the GEI has been able to build, ignored for decades. But the heart and the mind is always where we were kids happy and excited heads and still would like to give a hand, adult scout, to many teens and their leaders to help them and support them to "leave a better world for like ' we found. " Set.
We have an excellent relationship with the local AGESCI with whom we work for large events, none with the GEI is also here that this little (maybe two sections throughout the region). Continue to follow because there is a strong proposal for a secular scouting, we would like to follow your path .... and if you join the Federation.
Happy Hunting!
jamborette@email.it
Arnaldo
am July 27 2008 @ 11:16 a.m.
Hello Alburni of Aquila, we do the Federscout with our great friend Ivan Grosso White Bear. We also scouting for us and civil protection. If you like with Ivan and another scout association should do the opening of scouts at our house hunting Fuipiano Imagma Valley, if you like and you can make a leap of interest, and we know who knows not can come something positive.
A handshake left, Arnaldo.
Ivan Danchielli chief scout Vicenza (Big Bear White)
am July 27 2008 @ 21:04
Carissmo Alburni of Aquila, are happy for your intervention. I see that your negative experiences with the CNGEI be the same as mine and all those who have left to join the federation, with no resentment and with great nostalgia. Unfortunately, it has to be said, at CNGEI has created a climate of perfectionism that every other reality is denied, bringing the association to such an isolation that is suffocating on its own. Patience, we treasure our past mistakes so as not commettreli again. But because, like us, not create a new association? It is not difficult and there is so much need scoutismo.Si can also do by themselves. I am available, even coming to visit you personally and delivering to you our experience. It is wrong to give up that many young forward to the joys you have experienced yourself, "once scouts always scout." Your choices know surrendered to fight (in a good). Waiting for your sign. A hug. Good hunting. Tel. 3398180070.
Akela
am July 30 2008 @ 15:11
Of course that all those fine words of our dear friend Danchielli, sin that is not the first to respect them and slam the door in the face to friends and colleagues! Shame goes that it is better
Ivan Danchielli chief scout Vicenza (Big Bear White)
am July 30 2008 @ 19:18
Dear brother scout Akela July 30 2008, your resentment is strange, because you do not sign and then not even merit a comment. It 'also important to learn education, as BP. Updated.
Akela
am July 31 2008 @ 14:14
Dear Brother scout, you need not write about me, you should know, the point is not put into practice what all the preaching, the brotherhood the help of others, but then this is not applied if someone thinks differently from you.
Good road, but remember that those who sow collects.
Akela
Hawk Eye
am August 2 2008 @ 09:14
Dear I too am part of an independent (FIGE) exit off the CNGEI for the same reasons. We are a secular rather than atheist (I like to specify) because BP has said there can not be an atheist Scout!
With the basis of other organizations we are and I can usually tell you that we agree on everything, or almost doing business really beautiful and full of spirit scout! Not for ulima ... we returned the day before yesterday by the National Park of Abbruzzo where we participated in a field interassociativo "Brownsea 2008" where we were, 2 CNGEI department, 2 wards ASSORAIDER, 3 wards AGESCI, 1 GEL department and I can assure you that was 10 days. Field fantastic in respect of their religious beliefs and ideas. We vissuo 10 days. Brotherhood of true Scout. So in my humble opinion "the associazini are made of people, then we do the associations" The Great Heads possible that the true scouting (for scouting true fact that I intend next to the children and together) does not do for a long time, should roll up their sleeves to put the backpack on the shoulders and make a scouting cycle was pure and then start taking the deciosini more just for their own associations. A strong Good Hunting People Free to you!
Hawk Eye
am 5th August 2008 @ 13:04
Dear Brothers Scout, I too am part of an independent (FIGE) belonging to WFIS, but this does not imply there being excluded from other groups. We have contacts with groups dibersi Tuttti Italy and elsewhere, the important thing is learning to respect the choices and beliefs of other brothers and scout conceive and implement the scouting as there has left our founder BP, d 'Altronte there left few things, indeed ... the only thing it is for a good head saperle is to implement and adapt them to our times. Rest a good person who respects the law of July!
Ermanno Zappacosta
am August 6 2008 @ 12:02 p.m.
Dear brothers scout, who write and read.
I arrived for the event to this page and I have only now discovered the many negative external against my association and the CNGEI in which I am a member for about thirty "years.
I do not think a nice business card, from writers, and I do not even seem legitimate claim as a champion of the Scout Law and Scout Brothers insult other reality. "
Dear there is a law, a Promise, a style, to ogn "one his, as you write a business card.
Skipping the number of listed sections that have left the GEI, maybe if you make a careful search can "discover that there is nothing" new under the sun, some behaviors are repeated in all ass.ni in which it passes.
To reassure readers, but most "writers want to inform that the CNGEI and" constantly, slowly rising numbers for the freshness of its educational proposal that does not aim at a sterile secularism, as claimed by the Rieter writers of this page, but a plurality of teaching basic ideas for future good citizens.
fraternal greetings scout
Ermanno Zappacosta
Francesco Dal Fior del Veneto Regional Commissioner CNGEI
am August 6 2008 @ 14:32
All sisters and brothers all Scout.
They are Commissioner of Regional Veneto CNGEI.
I note that many non cocoscono the CNGEI and the great journey that CNGEI is doing great things and that the CNGEI has achieved in recent years. I ask you, before you write these things, to better inform the CNGEI and read ns. associative documents.
I invite you also know the scout CNGEI in the Veneto that is present with 7 sections.
The relationships in the region, with AGESCI, Masci and ESF, are excellent at all levels.
Not going to turn sterile discussions on this stage, which is a good communication tool and has a good container technical scout.
I invite you to an open and honest as true scout.
Is not part of ns. Scout-style confrontation in these terms.
I do not have time to write what I want, as we have just completed a major field in the National Veneto (Verona Rover 450) and now I am leaving for another field scout.Vi call for an open and fair discussion to clarify this with the people are empowered to do so as soon as possible, and in the most appropriate locations.
I thank you and greet you as brothers.
CREG Veneto Francesco Dal Fior
cell.3405884637
OldStoneGrizzly
am August 7 2008 @ 00:35
Frankly I do not see this thing in CNGEI not deny religion, anything. I find that here is a reflection stimuli rather, a disputed its certainties, which is always a prerequisite for a Lay in the world.
Put a stake in its certainties compared with other means devalues not, quite the contrary, they come out, certainly different, but better by comparison.
Fraternally
OldStoneGrizzly
Luigi
am August 7 2008 @ 10:13 a.m.
dear friends,
I think that the talk that you are only issues arising from "personal".
if you decided to move away from CNGEI, I do not think it was because of secularism and / or its interpretation.
in my state "by putting in place" your personal problems ...
continue to make healthy Scouting (and I am happy) but also take that 50% of responsibility of a choice but to read your words, was painful.
I think that this way of doing more harm to writers who actually happy to 12,000 have made their choice.
I read the comments of a girlfriend "discharged" ...
hello world
Ivan Danchielli chief scout Vicenza (Big Bear White)
am August 11 2008 @ 13:10
Dear Francesco, in September put me in touch with you to a meeting which I hope will bring positive experience for us and for our children. I am glad for your consideration that I share. The dialogue is always useful. Thank you for your presence. See you soon. a hug. Ivan
Tarcisio
am August 12 2008 @ 00:59
I do not know whether it is harmful to the writer, some sad, I proudly carried the insignia CNGEI, and I wished good way to the big white bear when we left for a choice that does not share, as hope good way for all groups including scouts ASMI of the new Italian Muslims. By this I do not think of "spitting" on CNGEI if I say that like many others now feel uncomfortable to remain writing. And if I were to leave, as I did this to my group, remain available to work maybe, I do not know what I'll hours later, the adult males. I would however point out to my regional commissioner epsorre its malaise that we discover shared by other members could help reflect not always prevail called "dirty clothes are washed at home." Last I think that members CNGEI, official data for the last assembly, and 10,850 are from statistics compiled by former National caposcout CNGEI, our association denotes the greatest loss compared to AGESCI-ESF-Assoraider if in 1998 in 1000 58 scouts were CNGEI are now 54, we are among the 4 the only one that has more Lupetti that explorers. To this day I do with the commitment CNGEI and my group in recent years is the largest of the section. We are educators of democracy we must have courage comparison.
Ivan Danchielli chief scout Vicenza (Big Bear White)
am August 27 2008 @ 19:13
Tarcisio dear, thanks for having understood. Good hunting to you all.
Stefano Vitali
am August 28 2008 @ 08:43
Ermanno Zappacosta writes: "
To reassure readers, but most "writers want to inform that the CNGEI and" constantly, slowly rising numbers for the freshness of its educational proposal that does not aim at a sterile secularism, as claimed by the Rieter writers of this page, but a plurality of teaching basic ideas for future good citizens.
you could see the numerical data (census) of this continues, slowly rising number of CNGEI?
Fiorella
am August 30 2008 @ 17:26
Dear brothers scout,
I read with pleasure all your thoughts and put me right seem aware of some of my concerns.
I state that is a scout secular (not atheist) of CNGEI of Piedmont, an association where, incidentally, I am doing my children grow up with great pleasure.
I had the opportunity to be in service field rover to start in August at Villa Buri in Verona where I was positively affected the cooperation that exists between AGESCI in Verona, CNGEI and Masci (Masci of the scouts with us CNGEI have cooked for day camp for about 450 people).
I personally chat amiably with a head of the local authority in the presence of leaders AGESCI visiting the area on our proposals for cooperation of all activities in the territories Verona, for next year scout.
Activities that are repeated every year without problems in cooperation in the spirit scout.
On Sunday morning at 9:00 I had the pleasure of experiencing the wonderful experience dell'interconfessionalità religious because the field was a Catholic priest (who officiated the rite Catholic), a Buddhist Monaco (who interacted with the children in excellent without the sterile indoctrination), or was a moment of individual spirituality.
Sorry, but if this is to be atheists ... ... ..
Brackets, the field has not been made requests by the boys, to have a Protestant pastor, a rabbi or a Iman because no one probably belonged to these religions, otherwise we would be prepared to meet their needs as it was right that was.
In conclusion have returned home after 3 days of field drive, physically tired, but with un'entusiasmo inside that we do not take a long time! Certainly not with a sense of ateicità inside me or not brotherhood! Anything!
Now, I can not really understand why support that members adhere to CNGEI are atheists.
I, honestly, from national to fall to that of my local area I do not have ever known.
I can not even understand why we need disquisire sterile statistics on growth or no growth, the scouting is made of numbers?
we are educators or (direct or indirect that is)?
I am a better teacher if I have thirty wolves in the pack rather that ten?
Sorry but I do not understand ... ...
And then we should stop and think that the CNGEI, in any case, is an association made up of people (like all associations) and then, and rightly so, there may be differences of opinion but is not running away you solve ( deviating reality and creating small), but only volumes facing is trying, with a good lesson in tolerance, good education, and, perhaps, reading together the original principles of BP find a common way to be able to grow together.
Only then can you say really brothers.
Good Hunting
Good Road
Good Way
Fiorella Bollarino
Chamber of Turin
Tarcisio
am August 31 2008 @ 23:00
I am pleased that writes Fiorella, we too have had the good fortune to work side by side with other brothers scout associations, even during our anniversary (I CNGEI) kitchen x 500 people was almost completely run by males. I think maybe the important thing is the spirit and commitment scout for boys what really unites us, even if the discussions "programmatic" we can divide.
Good Hunting Good Good Way Street
Ivan Danchielli chief scout Vicenza (Big Bear White)
am September 4, 2008 @ 21:58
Cara Fiorella, not to be confused because all say the same things and we all have the same enthusiasm. Our location scout Vicenza is available to all who want to use for each type of activity, via Vicenza. More brotherhood of so .. I'm just saying that, after 48 years in CNGEI I was removed because of the impossibility of dialogue with "responsibilities". That's it. We are in continuous contact with all the scouts reality of the region and not ask any limits to dialogue. We're good, do not argue with any brother scout. We believe pluralism and a richness not believe that a single national association is the solution but if it is, I would gladly part. We have been called "fronds death" of Scouting and other epithets not Orthodox. It is not the case in depth. We live our stake in peace as we are to remain. Good hunting to you and your excellent growing enthusiasm that I share as I shared and share your experiences. Track
Fiorella Bollarino - Director Chamber of Turin CNGEI
am 6 September 2008 @ 20:51
Dear Ivan, I am very pleased to read your answer and certainly if you turn the parties do not fail to visit you.
In any case I still do not share your removals from CNGEI after 48 years.
If there is impossible to dialogue with the "highest" I wonder how you can to stay healthy and above all not to argue and live in brotherhood.
And then, sorry, but the senior posts are changing, there is a right turn over, even at the level of Heads Unit, not to create a jam or incompatibility (we are human beings not forget ...), why separate?
I do not think you are good ... but rather that you believe to be good.
And considering the diversity an asset for me is only source of breakdown and unnecessary fragmentation.
E 'as pass the parallel Orthodox little in terms scautistico, in a Parliament where as we see it crumble party that is splitting into "matches" always smaller because they can not talk and resolve their internal frictions, then the solution is the most convenient flight.
I certainly have an optimist by nature and constantly see the glass half full even during the most blacks, and I always think that constructive dialogue can solve everything, yes, but often my way of being helped me not to miss trust in people, not to lose true friends and other acquaintances in the world.
Good hunting and good way for you,
maybe one day we will meet.
Stephen, AGES
am September 8 2008 @ 12:04 p.m.
Good hunting to all!
A special greeting to friends of Vicenza who share with us the experience positivissima in Federscout!
I believe that the choice of secular CNGEI and many other associations of Italian paronama is the right one. I am deeply convinced. As rightly said Ivan, secularism stands for pluralism, respect for all religions and confessions. A secular association will have no problem talking with others, to work together to confront. Where there is respect there is dialogue, brotherhood's scout!
What happens now in CNGEI, where after so many years some sections detach and form independent scout reality, it is not an issue of religion but of dynamics that lead people to not share the same path, but this also happens in other associations is clear! I think as Fiorella said that when problems arise when it is appropriate to remain seated and try to solve them, but this is not always possible ...
The really important thing in my opinion is consistently and correctly apply the method scout and making "every effort" to increase the scouting in Australia!
Aquiladeglialburni
am September 10 2008 @ 14:18
Cara Fiorella. I know that Ivan is right, unfortunately. I also do not yet resigned to this idea but I see that perhaps only the optimists like you, from less time in contact with the world scout, to "believe to be convinced to stay healthy in their situation. I too am an incurable optimist, but numbers, facts and circumstances, I confirm that does not change anything ... ..
However, if you like, contact me, you my story and the experience of others and then maybe we remain the same idea or maybe Comeback Win of the goodness of your own, in any case, always scout brothers!
Tarcisio
am September 10 2008 @ 23:36
Fiorella copy from:
And considering the diversity an asset for me is only source of breakdown and unnecessary fragmentation.
E 'as pass the parallel Orthodox little in terms scautistico, in a Parliament where as we see it crumble party that is splitting into "matches" always smaller because they can not talk and resolve their internal frictions, then the solution is the most convenient flight.
Cara FIORELLA envy and share your enthusiasm and joy with which do your commitment scout.
Permettimi to tell you that perhaps in your sentence that I mentioned at the beginning, certain problems arise. For me, pluralism is the heart of democracy is not a source unnecessary. And, always in my humble opinion, the comparison with the parliament is irrelevant because it is the center of personal power that can harm people, in our case the opposite happens. Today in Vicenza my city and Chamber, is a scout group in most, 50 (say for example) new kids have the opportunity to know the scouting. At the same time in the Chamber, to which I belong and up to yesterday by Parent, the weather is a bit calmer, a bit because the latest innovations are reopening a debate and strong ... I do not know. There is a meraviglioo that is repeated interventions: When we work with the boys strangely, strangely? .., It works well regardless of acronyms.
Divorce is part of our civil law, accettiamolo and we remain good friends thinking of the fi .. boys. I remained in CNGEI son and, at least from me, a friend of the brothers scout the big white bear whose son was the host for the promises, those originating not the new one without the word PROMISE and without AMARE the engine of the world, the Nistri Lupetti.
Happy Hunting Way Street
Fiorella
am September 14 2008 @ 12:35 p.m.
Tarcisio dear,
not enter into political speeches, because it is not the appropriate forum and I have absolutely no intention, I repeat that I was only an example and nothing more,
to avoid controversy on the promise since it did not fall under the subject matter in question, but which could open another session of discussion very happy ...
I would only say that from my point of view, the "divisions" that have occurred and are occurring are not synonymous with pluralism, much less democracy.
= democratic form of government in which sovereignty resides in the people who, by almost every free election and exercises his power, with freedom of the minority opposition and within the law.
I think that the CNGEI, in this democracy, it falls fully and completely because then "flee "????
Good hunting, road, road
Joseph
am September 14 2008 @ 23:07
Dear Big Bear White
I follow a few 'what go on, but actually we have not and you are confirming that between saying and doing is half of the sea.
It would be good that rileggessi as written by BP, a ripassino would do really well, and we hope that those poor animals take hard, otherwise the other scout friends we will find on a home without children as you slowly li escape all.
With the hope that sooner or later find the right way, with some 'perhaps ce of humility to do! Track.
Joseph
Marco Sabatini
am September 16 2008 @ 18:54
I read with pleasure the first speech, which is of Don Romano Nicolini. I agree fully! Because it is clear that "religions" and this is no more or less vague "moments of spirituality" that - the limit - could go up to syncretism new age and esoteric-magical practices.
In those circumstances it is equally clear and the concept of secularism-that-is not secularism:
1 - ask each member to follow his religion seriously;
2 - does not permit waiver of each practice their faith (sensitive issue with the boys).
Another issue that raises Tarcisio atheist is the result, rather than secular, which is taking the CNGEI recently started to become an association of non credenti.Uno of the reasons causing the defection of entire local branches.
It must be said also that the search for self-associative structures is determined by a number of years by a bureaucratic behavior (as a "power to stamp") or worse spocchioso and supponente levels of certain associations, backed by a partisan interpretation of the rules too rigid (the law for man is not vice versa). In this respect the memory of Don Romano nice article in the journal AGESCI "B.-P. Brownsea to start? "Scout-PE No. 13 on 6 June 2007. We in San Casciano in Val di Pesa-Florence for this reason we left AGESCI FederScout opting for a trim and associative and autonomous federal Scout Movement in BP who said:
"Our aim is to decentralize
management of the Movement
as much as possible, so
to avoid red tape
and give up
Democratic autonomy
local service facility.
We are not so much an organization
As a fraternity,
moved by the spirit and
the unwritten law of fair play,
rather than rules and
Regulations printed. "
After all, and finally, it is to live the spirit of the Movement that is unique and we are all brothers, watching from the right distance expressions
organization of the various forms of association.
andrea
am September 17 2008 @ 11:23 a.m.
How is it that has finished talking CNGEI? ... E 'come between husband and wife: it is part dall'insalta served in table salt and you get to talk about that time that YOUR son went to school for male YOUR fault .. .. etc! ... There is some sore belly ...?! What then pull factor in an Association dance with the beautiful Don Nicolini provocation? We are at issue.
I am presenting are Andrea Rossi dell'AVSC, Veneta Scout Association Catholics. For us the choice is clear religious symbol and since this does not mean that we respect all saints day with the religious crisis of our boys.
If we all agree, at least we at this Fourmi, that the scout is NOT atheistic first mark a point of clarification. If then "secularism" as the want of effort heads turned to respect and enhancement of our children the message of religions, then it would be another good fixed point. If the mode of exploitation of the Christian Religion, Jewish, Muslim, Orthodox, animist, Buddhist .. in Scouting - in a secular associations and pluriconfessionale - is well told by Fiorella around a camp where she and her children participated in Verona (compliments to the Heads!) then I think we can write another good point.
Other paths I really struggled to go ...
Ivan Danchielli chief scout Vicenza (Big Bear White)
am September 21 2008 @ 19:15
Dear Joseph, 14 September 2008, because ce you with me? What have I done? And why do not you sign? Who are you? Are you afraid of being recognized? But what kind of scouting follow? As to say and do you call to deepen our reality and you notice how we're growing and how your words are the fruit of your personal interpretation. Ripassare BP? If you want you want an individual course. Excuse me, but you are not ci sei own. A bit of modesty on your part would be more appropriate, to say nothing of good manners. I think that you are one of those without history.
andrea
am September 23 2008 @ 09:29
paulo Maiora canamus brothers scout!
giuseppe
am September 24 2008 @ 14:23
Dear Big Bear White,
perhaps I am not a story, but I see that they are not the only one to which you did not make a good impression and has said Akela, there is no need to sign.
Your group works with leaders, old and new, perhaps more than them so born from nothing and with the desire to do that naturally with your hypocrisy risk of losing.
As for boys, you can not calarti in their midst, but they demand attention and precision, without giving space to them and their way of being.
Then if someone has a problem we close it out first to help that ... right? '?
This would teach and now that you retire.
Track Boss
Marco Sabatini
am September 24 2008 @ 14:56
paulo Maiora canamus. There are those who translated: "Paul facciamoci a cane biggest." I very much doubt that Andrea you would mean that, if only because you run the risk of opening a debate on drugs and scouting ... and after Roverway has heard everything.
Interesting but it really should be off topic.
"We shall be frivolous arguments to things more interesting is the meaning of the translation correct, or" move from one topic to another more painful consoling. " So Dante (who is my parts), rising to dall'Inferno Purgatory, begins:
"To the best run water raises the sails
Now the ship of my wit
leaving behind if Tuesday is cruel ... "
That's already meglio.Non right?
giuseppe
am September 26 2008 @ 12:03 p.m.
Carissa Bear Biano
answering your question / statement (But what kind of scouting follow?) than that of BP, which I love and I follow that the people and if you think that now you do not comply, this I have taught you what you want .. I learn quickly, with a teacher like you!
For the other assertion (As to say and do you call to deepen our reality and you notice how we're growing and how your words are the fruit of your own) I have deepened your reality and come back to reiterate that if it were not for the other YOUR REALITY 'only if it were not for you there. You are part of the old heads of BP and they know very much, but put into practice for boys and with the leaders ... let's leave
to your assertion that "Ripassare BP?" "If you want a course like individual" I would not make me do a course you do not believe, I am sure that learning not only how to treat people!
Ivan Danchielli chief scout Vicenza (Big Bear White)
am October 22 2008 @ 19:57
Well, to resume the dialogue more serious things, for those who want to continue to do so. Fiorella (like many others) has doubts about our choice "independent" and I can understand. Scouting independent mean only managerial independence and not on principles of interpretation. E 'need to understand that in order to converse with equal dignity between associations. Unfortunately know that this does not occur for some, confirming that there is a scouting and elected one of "children of a lesser God." Please, if it is true that we are all brothers in scouting then begin to consider all at the same level of dignity and operational interpretation, because the scouting is done with no membership and it can be judged only by results. The dialogue? Maybe it can, I immediately silence quandanche, sometimes, offense free, so we pursue this wonderful pure utopia that unites us but we also try to put it into practice when you compare with others peacefully brothers scout. There are many things to do together and not have good isolation, the hasty trial, the preconceptions and resentment. A sincere hug to all Scouts of all associazioni.Buon work with young people and youth.
Fiorella Bollarino
am October 23 2008 @ 08:42
Dear brothers scout,
I emerge from a moment sown to invite everyone to a "truce" Next Saturday 25 October 2008 at 17.30 hours at the library Fnac Verona presentation of a book on Baden Powell.
For details I refer you to Article week's "Life of Baden Powell seen by Ivo Milazzo" to Polis.
I am in uniform "green" as there will be the director of our magazines associative, and screenwriter of the book, if some of you will be able to be present will be a pleasure to know.
Good hunting
Fiorella Bollarino - CNGEI
Loris
am October 23 2008 @ 21:02
Dear brothers and sisters scout
it is interesting to follow this mini forum on scouting official recognized by FIS, I think
though many groups from the FIS have had to remove misunderstandings, the important thing is to follow the teachings of Baden-Powell, religion is not binding, once again reconfirmed that the frattelanza scout in the world is real, do not you ask what religion you professed mas consider their brother.
This year festeggierò my first fifty years of scouting.
Sorry can not 'be present at verona 25 0tt0bre for the presentation of the book on Baden Powell of IVo.in what I find abroad.
would be pleased to receive a paper copy of this new book scout.
I put my address: Loris Sheets, PO Box 99.20092 Lymm
estote parades
Loris
Tarcisio
am October 23 2008 @ 23:30
Unfortunately in this weekend are busy, always in green shirt, with the output of "Passages" important moment in the path of boy scouts and it would be interesting to exchange experiences and suggestions. I am sorry because it was too close to home, 'Visentin Magnaghi' as many of those who talk ... sometimes maybe not sopendo personal resentments. Perhaps it is better to talk about ideas and projects remain brothers scout even if a common experience has also sharply divided.
Fiorella thanks the invitation to the next opportunity.
Good hunting, road, road
Angelo Benassi
am October 24 2008 @ 18:25
As "old scouts" who for 13 years has taken a new experience of scouting, I like that we were not so tied to the symbols but the content,
the method is one regardless of associations or groups to bring into practice.
I do not think that BP would like these diatribes between brothers scout.
No one has the claim to be the only depository of the method would be no Scout.
We must work together so that we can give young people more opportunities to be able Cres and leave the world migliuore of how we found
Fiorella bollarino
am October 26 2008 @ 16:59
Dear Loris and Tarcisio,
I was delighted to read your response to my invitation.
Loris for the book is normally sold in bookstores as it is published by Lizard (Rizzoli).
We, as CNGEI, do not do direct selling because it's not an internal publication.
You should go to the FNAC in Milan in the 2-ball (Zone Dome) where, typically, they take some copies, if not you can sort and in a few days they do arrive.
For Tarcisio: the next time you are in the area!
Good Hunting
Fiorella
Ivan Danchielli chief scout Vicenza (Big Bear White)
am October 27 2008 @ 07:57
I apologize to Fiorella but I was in Rome for a national meeting federal (Work-shop). Thank you for the invitation and welcome acquire some copies of the book by BP. Good way for you all.